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Episode Forty-Two: Feeling a Little Horse [May. 25th, 2011|07:00 am]
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Episode 42 is live!





Huge thank you to Noel for providing us with the opening audio!

SHOW NOTES

Made Of Fail wishes everyone a happy Glorious Revolution/Star Wars/Towel/Geek Pride Day!

You can learn more about My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic here, and read Kevin's thoughts on becoming a brony here.

Tessa has more to say on femininity and geekdom here.

There are lots of dissertations on Joss Whedon's take on feminism on the net, but a really good one is here.

The Wonder Woman TV show has been cancelled; few are mourning.

CHARITIES: The tornado in Joplin, MO had not happened at the time of recording, but you can donate to the Red Cross to help relief efforts there or in Alabama. Also, Japan still needs earthquake relief.


Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Email us at made_of_fail@yahoo.com, or send us a message on Twitter: @made_of_fail.
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[User Picture]From: snapdragon76
2011-05-25 02:36 pm (UTC)

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I have really really REALLY tried to get into the new MLP series, but I'm too much of an old school MLP fan, so the reboot has kinda left me feeling a little 'meh'. Several of my friends have really gotten into it though.

And I use my geek icon in honor of the day...
[User Picture]From: westonian
2011-05-25 02:43 pm (UTC)

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Shiiiiiny. *_*
[User Picture]From: mysticowl
2011-05-25 04:22 pm (UTC)

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Was the slapping someone's face with your sexuality not a penis joke? Sounded like a penis joke to me, but everyone took it seriously.

When you were talking about female celebrities being tested on their geek cred, I remembered when I found Asia Carrera's site through Wil Wheaton's blog and she had pictures of "what people think I look like when I play Quake" (french maid sex outfit) versus what she really wore when playing (sweats).

On gender attributes and nurture: in languages where grammar inflects for the speaker's gender, toddlers who have opposite-gender older siblings will sometimes talk with the opposite gender's grammar as they're learning to talk.

Tessa does an awesome Pinkie Pie! It was very impressive and a little terrifying.
[User Picture]From: queenanthai
2011-05-25 04:42 pm (UTC)

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I think we all went out of our way not to make a dick joke about it, because we were totally taking the subject seriously.

And yes, terrifying does not begin to cover it. FEAR THE PONY!TESSA.
[User Picture]From: sonozakitwins
2011-05-25 11:45 pm (UTC)

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I JUST WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND
[User Picture]From: queenanthai
2011-05-26 01:58 am (UTC)

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AAAAHHHHHH THAT ICON
[User Picture]From: alliancesjr
2011-05-25 06:20 pm (UTC)

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It was a penis joke.
From: noelct
2011-05-25 07:49 pm (UTC)

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There's just as many people being slapping in the face with boobies as penises. Not necessarily a dick specific line.
[User Picture]From: mysticowl
2011-05-25 10:12 pm (UTC)

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Penes are funnier than breasts. Also, this reply may or may not have been just an excuse for me to show off the proper plural of "penis".
[User Picture]From: sonozakitwins
2011-05-25 11:44 pm (UTC)

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I was on SO MUCH caffeine when we recorded this. Oh my god it was fun.
[User Picture]From: muppetfan23
2011-05-26 09:12 am (UTC)

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You're INFINITELY more fun when you're jazzed up on caffeine and sugar
From: noelct
2011-05-25 08:05 pm (UTC)

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Excellent discussion this episode. I don't know that I've every really looked at things based on the classical breakdown of masculine or feminine, and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's that my parent, while masculine and feminine in appearance, somewhat defy the set way of things. My mother is often the de facto authority figure because of her confidence and intelligence, but she does have a blunt sloppiness when it comes to cleaning and a bit of a short temper. Whereas my dad is often calm and withdrawn and very methodically arranged, yet also incredibly impulsive. They're very hard to define by classical lines, and often even self contradictory, like many people, and I must have picked up on them as examples early in life, because I look at everyone as individuals instead of expecting them to fall into easy categorization based on outward gender.

I'm sure there are many qualities I have that would qualify as "masculine", in that I am large with a lot of brute strength, I say incredibly dirty things on Twitter, I still have most of my old G.I. JOES, and, hell, several of you witnessed me punching a man in the face. But, while I do have an appreciation for athleticism, participating in or watching sports never interested me, I prefer thinking a situation through over charging in head first, I shy away from confrontation, and I have impeccable hygiene. I guess this would put me somewhere in the middle of "masculine" or "feminine", but since I've always been aware of such qualities in both genders, the issue kind of becomes moot to me. I am me. Just as you are you.

And where did you get that fantastic opening sequence? I don't see the source mentioned in the shownotes. ;P
[User Picture]From: alliancesjr
2011-05-25 10:28 pm (UTC)

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I was in a rush to get this posted this morning before work. I'll go ahead and put it in now.
[User Picture]From: alliancesjr
2011-05-25 10:28 pm (UTC)

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also thank you
From: noelct
2011-05-25 11:38 pm (UTC)

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Thank you for asking me to do it in the first place. It was a blast to do.
[User Picture]From: princessstarr
2011-05-25 09:05 pm (UTC)

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I have a new favorite pony macro now. Thanks a lot.
[User Picture]From: princessstarr
2011-05-26 10:40 pm (UTC)

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YOU GUYS READ MY EMAIL OMG YAAAAAY.

(I have to work super-early three days in a row. So, thanks for making my week MORE AWESOME.)

Also, ponies. We can always use more ponies.
[User Picture]From: muppetfan23
2011-05-26 05:50 am (UTC)

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I am veeeeery girly. I like to wear fancy scarves and pink scrunchies and I have this horribly embarrassing tendency to skip when I'm happy.

And honestly? I really value my femininity. It makes me feel very happy when I realize that people see me as feminine, even though I never try.

However, I like to watch giant robots blow the crap out of each other and I liked Thor because of Thor walloping on the Frost Giants, not because of that one time he took off his shirt...

...Anyway, I've never felt that I shouldn't be feminine because I'm a geek, I felt the other way around. I was afraid that because I'm a total geek people would cite that as a flaw in my femininity. That's why I don't usually tell people about the transformers on my desk.

However, I also come from a fairly unique perspective.


My friend and I discovered MLP together, and we ALMOST went through with doing an RPG based on the concept of Care Bears versus My Little Pony in a VERY Ragnaroky type setting. There were gonna be viking helmets and pony sorceresses.

We also started customizing ponies. She gave Fluttershy yarn dreadlocks.

PS. That was TOTALLY me who asked the Care Bears vs Ponies question.

[User Picture]From: Benjamin J Coln
2011-05-27 08:01 pm (UTC)

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I can't speak to the current MLP craze (I've seen it manifest istelf in some interesting ways, though), but I think that as open and generally awesome as many aspects of geekdom may be, there are those that seem to be eternally self-defeating of the culture.

While this has thankfully relaxed in recent years, I've seen necks turn in unison so quickly in comic book stores to the passing of any even remotely attractive female that it produces a nearly audible sound. The male contingent of fanboys -not all of them, but a large enough number to notice over time - can be so incredibly obsessed with the opposite sex within the confines of the culture they consume (alliteration FTW), but a real life one enters the picture, and they don't know what to do with themselves. Sometimes the reaction can be a kind of misplaced (and baffling) resentment, sometimes it's an uncomfortable posessiveness, and sometimes it's just downright creepy. The thing is, it has in the past kept girls and women from getting into geek culture - and when they do, they're microscoped all to hell by everyone else. It's damaging to those of us who just like to meet people and enjoy common interests. Again, this is not as bad as it used to be, and it's quite heartening to see females buying comics, watching anime, playing videogames and RPGS, etc, where there were few to absolutely none 10-15 years ago, it's the process of undoing damage already done.

In short, as in most things, a few people ruin it for everyone else.
[User Picture]From: xenelle
2011-06-01 09:41 am (UTC)

TL;DR - I don't know how to summarise

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This got long, and became rather rambling and reflective, so I am summarising. Like Dana I don't see myself as either Masculine/Feminine, this could be in part due to an upbringing that was rather neutral - parents treated us equally and never said we couldn't do 'that' because of gender reasons, I also didn't have close friends that were hyper feminine or very girly to my recollection, I remember wanting a Cabbage patch doll, due to everyone else having one, the variety of the dolls features (not blond blue eyed/bald baby) and the Adoption Certificate. Mum said no as she didn't like them. She got me a different doll. I like dresses/skirts but don't wear them often as I have to remember pesky things like keeping an eye on the hem (I have a small waist in comparison to my hips so things don't sit right as I have to buy a size up) and 'sitting like a lady' so I mostly wear trousers. Make up is for special occasions, I like wearing it to feel 'special', but never got into the habit of wearing it every day and it cuts into the morning routine, and never worked out the 'touching up' maintenance.
I was part of the AIRTC/Cadets and thus have muscle memory for military posture and walking, this makes it difficult to wear high-heels for long periods of time, so I mostly wear Doc Martens. Not sure what that says for standing masculine/feminine, but I know I march, as my boyfriend finds it amusing.
Interestingly, on the masculine/feminine topic, my boyfriend’s sister recently, had to try and explain to a four year old boy, as he referred to her child as ‘him’ that girls can like and have animals on their clothes. We'd given her newborn daughter an onesie with cute animals on it, not in pink as I figured the baby would get loadsa pink stuff. I don't really remember having to defend my geek cred for being female, but then growing up I never really advertised that I was a geek. I liked what I liked and you either liked it or not. I never really noticed heads craning in Comic book stores - but then I was too busy looking at the comic books/merch to pay attention to anything else.
[User Picture]From: aunt_zelda
2011-07-01 01:56 pm (UTC)

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(The sound's kinda off on this episode …)

Hey, I have that song on my iPod!

Wait, in the future we're not allowed to listen to MoF? I don't wanna live in the future, then! *crosses arms and digs in heels*

Oh god, she's Pinkie Pie! Make her stop … my head … will explode …
"Wooooooosh!"
*sporfles*

I don't get the My Little Pony thing, I watched some of the episodes and was just stunned into watching more. I watched some Phineas and Ferb to reaffirm my sanity.

I LOVE Avatar the Last Airbender. One of the best shows EVER.

Like Dayna, I don't think I've ever felt that my tastes in entertainment were because of my gender. I remember being repelled by overtly girly shows when I was a little kid, and being annoyed that there weren't more girl characters, but once I broke through the 'all I watch are Disney shows and movies' and started getting geeky there weren't really any decisions because of my gender, or being marketed towards. Star Wars and LotR were big with me as a tween. I READ, so much, mostly the Tortall Series and Redwall and suchlike things. Once I got into middle/high school I found out about D&D and didn't look back. I didn't care about my tastes, but other people did.

I hate pink. Which is weird, because I was raised by my girly mother for the most part and raised by my gay father on weekends. I should love pink. I should be putting on make-up all the time. I should be fashion- conscious. Instead my friends stare when I decide to wear a skirt. I'm only just now starting to foster a style, when I put on things and I magically end up looking pretty swank.

I loved my Barbies! They'd go on epic adventures and have lesbian romances and fight wars against the beanie babies!
(I was a strange child …)

I never really thought of myself as a girly-girl or a tomboy, just as a … girl. Ellen DeGeneres coined the term "chapstick lesbian," and when I heard that I started to think of myself as a "chapstick girl." Not especially one way or the other. The problem was that I was always around girls on either ends of the bell-curve, so I'd stand out regardless of who I was hanging out with. That's probably why most of my friends have been guys.

Maybe hyper-masculinity and hyper-femininity upset you Dayna because you don't really identify as either gender? I dunno …


Kevin I blame you for me getting into MLP.

Is it weird that I'm really into you three discussing gender issues and My Little Pony for almost two hours?

I don't think I'll ever be able to watch "The Body" again. I saw it once. I cried so much. I hugged my mother for ages.

Apparently sometimes I walk in a 'masculine' way. I blame the theater workshops, taking those as a teen can really affect your movement later in life, especially when listening to a woman playing a guy discuss how to act like a man on stage. I've mostly played men and boys onstage, hardly any female characters, so I don't know how to act like a girl onstage anymore. That's bled into my real life actions. I sit like a guy, I know that. I have to really adjust my usual posture when I'm wearing a short skirt.

You threw a cat at his crotch?! Oh the puns …

Is it just me who thinks that male ponies seem to be second-class citizens in Equestria?
[User Picture]From: aunt_zelda
2011-07-01 01:56 pm (UTC)

Man, I get wordy when I listen to this podcast ...

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"Are they gonna bring home another gay?"
"Are they docile?"
"You gotta watch out for those feral gays."

*sporflediez*

You think the opposite-sex roommate stuff is tough, try talking to your parents about polyamory. *sighs*

Hee hee, I want a shirt that says "Heterosexuality is my dump stat."

"Two and a Half Queers"
I would watch that show.

I think the conservatives are afraid because so many of them are closeted, so when gay marriage is legal they'll be even more 'tempted' or some bullshit like that.

I would give you shit if you WEREN'T a liberal gay-friendly podcast. You don't wanna see me get up in arms about this. I would CRY at you!

"Tessa, wanna make out?"
"Sure."
"Wheee!"

*snickers* I love his show.

I can't understand the homophobia either. I've tried and tried for years and I just. Can't. Get it. Probably because I grew up with my dad having boyfriends, my mom having boyfriends, and thinking that that's just how the world worked, so what was the big deal here?

I'm so not a crafter. I wish I were, but I'm just not. Once I tried to knit. The gods were working against me every step of the way. I've had to buy and borrow all of my Discworld cosplay stuff.