I loved the discussion about celebrities and how fans go crazy, even over bloggers like Cleo. Oh, and Dayna, you are braver soul than I to watch that TwiPorno. I tip my hat to you.
Poor Rinna--did you manage to avoid the guy who wanted to meet you?
"Then you're Bella!" I about died when everyone chorused "Yeah." in the same exact tone.
Ooooh! Literary episode? Hot damn, can't wait to hear it!
Great episode, I really enjoyed it.
Which porn did you watch? Did you know there's two different versions? Still in the middle of listening. Or rather the beginning. ^.^
I saw This Isn't Twilight: The XXX Parody. We sincerely tried to get a sound clip so everyone could hear the bad acting, but alas, technology failed us.
I've gone back and watched more since the review/this episode. The words "vampire popsicle" are ACTUALLY UTTERED. Also, the line "Harder, Edward! YOU WON'T HURT ME."*
*Which, you know. Breaking Dawn.
...I really want to see this for the lulz, but the boyfriend and the family will never understand ;p. (I've been fighting with my boyfriend all day to geek out and listen to the show
I'm basically going through the same compacolypse Cleo was going through, only it's been a little over a year since I had my computer. With financial aid coming in, I'll breathe a little easier.
Here's the article about the other porn. http://www.examiner.com/x-1916-Sex--Relationships-Examiner~y2009m5d18-You-knew-this-was-coming-eventually-Twilight-of-Virginity-Twilight-porn-spoof-drops-May-22
I also just wanted to comment on crazy fans. I used to get that little OMGTHEYRESPONDEDTOME all the time. First with a musician, Voltaire, regularly responds to me on Myspace, but the shiver of OMG has faded away. It was the same with Cleo. I think it's a matter of getting comfortable....whenever I meet someone new (even if I don't know who they are) I feel like I have to bring some sort of expectation. The more I talk to them though, the more the comfort level gets. It's like ~letting yourself go~ in a long term relationship. I dunno.
Great episode, you guys!
And totally need that song in the opening, it was fabulous.
You know, I think a big reason behind the "you're a blogger, therefore you're a celebrity" mindset isn't so much the "if she/he can do it, then I can do it," but the accessibility of it. This is a celebrity you can interact with. And not just when ComiCon comes to town, this is from the comfort of your home, on-demand, immediate interaction and the more of your favourite bloggers you elevate to celebrity status, the more celebrities you know. You can even interact with them naked and not have security ushering you out. If Taylor Lautner was a Twitterati, he would sign your virtual panties (and possibly not even know it).
I love the mention of how Grown-Up-Cullen Emmett is. I think Emmett is part of the Universal Consciousness. There are many Edwards, but only one Emmett. And before their names were Emmett and Rosalie, they were Karl and Effie (until their impending vampire wedding gives Effie a rash) and were on the best angsty teen vampire TV show ever called Vampire High. It's exactly like Twilight, except the original Bella counterpart dies... and gets replaced with a new one and the Edward-counterpart doesn't even notice.
I don't think your episodes are too long, but that may be because I don't actually have anything better to do. (Well, I was supposed to clean my place today, but who wants to do that when Cleo's on Made of Fail?)
I was thinking something along that line, actually, but didn't get to wedge it in--it's like, we like creating smaller celebrities that we can actually get to. It's the only explanation I can think of for people setting me up as some kind of "celebrity," because objectively, it doesn't make sense--I'm not even on TV, you know? "You people gotta get higher standards for your famous people" is what I usually say, but maybe that's exactly the point--if you create smaller "celebrities," you can get closer to them.
Another fantastic episode guys! Really makes my work not as awful when I can laugh a long with other nerds. Also if yall are doing a book episode next time, you should really check out Christopher Moore, one of my all time favorite authors. He's basically and cracked out American Neil Gaiman, and I love his stuff. He has made such wonderful works as, "Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal", "Practical Demonkeeping", and "Dirty Job"
But again, Bravo! Now that I've listened to this one, I think it's going to be a Made of Fail kind of day. I still haven't listened to the Musical episode, and man, I'm a big homo and musicals are my kinda thing.
I second Christopher Moore. I haven't actually read the books, but I listened to the audiobooks of A Dirty Job when moving to Texas, and Fool when moving from Texas. They're great for road trips because they're hilarious and definitely keep you awake. I also liked The Stupidest Angel (Zombies and Christmas. Can you ask for more?)
A Dirty Job is by far my favorite so far. My copy is pretty torn up because I've forced it upon so many others. Its currently living in LA with one of my best friends (I live in Texas, poor book :( ) He rocks because he has a book called The Island of the Sequined Love Nun By far the BEST book title I have ever found in my life. I just bought it a few weeks ago and can't wait to start reading it.
Lamb has been recommended to me before; I probably should pick it up one of these days.
I looove Lamb. I let someone borrow it 2 years ago and have yet to see it
Ok I'm delurking to say that I love you guys for talking about the celebrity phenomenon.
Now I will lurk more and I look forward to the next podcast of bookwormy awesome.
I just started listening, but there's a GAY porn Twilight version. HELLA amusing.
Twinklight, right? Yeah, I've heard of it. I really don't find twinks attractive; they all look like...mass-produced dolls, honestly. Tell you what; YOU watch it and let me know if there's enough parody in it for me to take a look.
I am NOT watching porno with Twinks. I'll make Dave watch it an get back to you. Hahah.
fuck yeah one of my top 5 episodes ever
Love you guys
Great episode guys! If its alright I'd like to recommend a book for the next episode. Its called The Hunger Games
and is the first of a trilogy. I don't especially love post-apocalyptic stories but this one just had strong tone of realism to the characters and they felt like people who could exist outside the book. They weren't paper-thin sheaths for readers to insert themselves into (*cough*Bella*cough*) and be the character.
So far there are only two books, the last just came out in September of this year and the last one is slated for late next year. Everyone should really check them out when available :D
(Er. Longtime listener, first-time commenter? That's embarrassing to say.)
Amaaaaazing episode as usual, loved the discussion of crazy fans, but had to comment to say that I am so excited for next episode and the literary discussion. I don't really share most of your fandoms, but you guys are entertaining just talking about fandom in general. I'll be thrilled to hear your opinion on some of my favorite books and series.
Excellent episode, as always, and I especially enjoyed that discussion about fandom. But, wait, so I'm not
supposed to get off every time I score a mention on the show? Damn.
Anyway, haven't seen the film yet, but I'm halfway through reading NEW MOON. I still argue that her prose is better than R.L. Stine's (who pretty much whipped out a first draft and published it), but agree about the general level of unease throughout the story. But, as said on the show, it would totally work if they only acknowledged and played off the twisted nature of their relationship instead of treating it with a casual air.
Oh, and with all this talk of TWILIGHT, I'm surprised Dayna never once mentioned Peter David's POTATO MOON
. Sure, it's somewhat fizzled out in the last few months, but it was a wild run while it lasted. Hell, I even got to do a chapter
I'm a little embarrassed about Potato Moon, because I was supposed to do a chapter and then it was my turn and I completely froze up and couldn't think of anything and I disappointed the hell out of Peter. :(
Great episode guys! I too was forced to go see the movie by my mom (thankfully I wore my 'Then Buffy staked Edward' t-shirt). I was more disappointed by the fact that I thought it wasn't nearly as bad as Twilight. I mean, there was actual intentional humor and everything.
The first day I watch Dollhouse was the day it was cancelled. :/ OH IRONY.
Book reviews, huh? *complies list that she'll email you later*
And did you guys mention the Batman: The Brave and the Bold musical? Late thought is late, but it's still worth mentioning. It stars Neil Patrick Harris for christ's sake.
Oh, the Music Miester. Absolutely phenomenal.
I looooved the trains in Hartsfield-Jackson when I was little, it was my favorite part of going to the airport. I haven't been on them in a while though since I haven't flown in years and they limit the number of people who can go to the gates with a ticket holder now.
And Jeffrey Thomas is an amazing artist, and the Twisted Princess series is so creepy and awesome. I'm glad he's getting some attention :3
The episode cut off for me in the middle of the Heather Langenkamp story. Maybe because I'm using Ubuntu? Anyway, really enjoyed the part I heard, esp. the discussion of obsessive fandom. I've got a whole theory around Twimoms and how middle-aged women have no socially acceptable outlets for their sexuality so they're channeling all this pent-up lust and anger into Twilight. I really think that this is what's underlying a lot of the hysteria, at least among older fans.
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This episode absolutely cracked me up. I really need to make my friend listen to this episode and the Twilight episode when I visit her in January, because Thanksgiving Day I got a text from her saying "I'm now obsessed with Twilight/New Moon movies" Dammit! I warned her about the evils of Twilight! Why does no one listen to me? My other best friend did the same thing, but he read all the books despite my warnings (he is mormon though...so it was probably inevitable).
I hated those damn trains at Hartsfield-Jackson airport as a kid. I got separated from my family when I was six and got stuck on the train, scared the shit out of me.
Anyways, fantastic episode, I can't wait to get some new book suggestions in the next episode!
I think the celebrity thing is actually about providers of escapism (aka, entertainment). If the entertainer provides something someone thinks they need, but they /don't/ have a personal connection to the entertainer, the entertainer becomes a vending machine. Put enough quarters in and you'll get more of what you crave. Especially if you believe what you crave is embodied by the person, you're on the prowl for the 'quarters' that will make them put out. So to speak. Since to have a chance of guessing what sorts of things they'd like, you have to first see them as a person instead of an object, there's a bit of a catch-22 there.
But still, a dedicated fan persists. The more of a 'personal connection' one feels to one's own particular vending machine, the better odds one has of guessing the right quarters and getting more of that sweet sweet escape, right? Ooh, especially a personally customized escape. A song written just for you. A date with the character. Your own personal kinks catered to in the fiction. Hell, even a chance to briefly stare into...
...his honey butterscotch eyes--- hey! Is he wearing CONTACTS? Why is his hand so warm? Are they making him carry handwarmers so he seems human? You can be honest with me, Celebward!. I've seen the real you through the screen!
I was so nervous, but he was exactly like I imagined...
Something like that, anyhow.
Ok, I finally just got around to listening to the ep. (I've been busy, sorry) and I must say I loved the whole thing, but the bit that REALLY got me (and I'm going to incur the Wrath of Dayna for this) was the Journey at the end. Because I really do believe that #journeyhealsallwounds.
Great episode, yet again - glad I finally got to listen to it.
The discussion about interacting with celebrities/"celebrities" online made me think of when Michael Sheen joined Twitter, and late one night I tweeted something about really wanting him to reply to me. Then I went to bed, and when I woke up the next morning, he'd obliged: "hope that works out for you." I felt so gross.
Just want to say that seeing this film today was totally worth it for what happened after it finished: the two women behind me were arguing and one leaned over and asked if it was true that in the last book Bella almost gets eaten by her vampire fetus. I took great pleasure in confirming this to her horrified friend, while the woman smugly remarked, 'I told you so.' Also, disturbing amount of teenage boys in my theatre. Made it way more fun, as instead of a hushed, churchlike air during Edward's long speeches everyone just sniggered and made rude comments about how he really needs to get some. So. Yeah. Much better experience than with the first one. Thanks for the great podcast!
You guys are awesome and you rock!
(Though now my cat hates you because I kept sporfling at your comments and disturbed her slumber as a result.)
*blushes* Shout out! (Well, not a very nice shout-out, but still ...)
Oh my god famous people acknowledged me! Ayyyyyyyiiiiiii!
Lewis is indeed amazingly cool with whatever disturbing stuff he manages to track down. In the early days of the fandom we were all prepared to f-lock our journals and hide in Siberia for a year when people found our fics, but then Lewis was all 'hey, I'm not crazy about the subject matter, but feel free to express yourselves!' He also defended the fandom artist on dA. He is awesome. He had every right to call down the Wrath of God on us, and he didn't.
The TGWTG fandom is still pretty unsure of whether we're writing RPS or not. Since most of our fics feature Dr. Insano (who does not exist) and epic physics-defying battles and suchlike things, we tend to feel that we're writing character-slash, not RPS. Sometimes, however, things get a little RPS-y, but most of us aren't bothered by that. I'm still a tad squicked by RPS personally, but if it's good I'll read it.
I love the 'Twisted Princess' art series!
Eeeee, you're having a book episode?! *is so excited*
I stand by my comment. Real Person fic is creepy.
Sometimes it squicks me, sometimes it doesn't. I try and avoid it if I can.
Eh, I just can't separate "Lewis" from "Linkara." It's too close to not being a character at all. However, I will go on record saying that, a bit squicky or not, you do write EXTRAORDINARILY well. I mean, Bennett could hardly find anything wrong with it! So props to you!
Eh, I just can't separate "Lewis" from "Linkara." It's too close to not being a character at all.
Yeah, frequently the 'are we writing RPS or just plain slash?' discussion will come up and people will go in circles for a while and it'll amount to nothing.
I will go on record saying that, a bit squicky or not, you do write EXTRAORDINARILY well.
*blushes a spectacular shade of red* Thank you very much!
(People don't seem to realize that, on the whole, fanfiction is generally very well written. At least on LJ, in all the various communities. New writers get critiques and mentors and betas, and eventually they realize that they were writing Mary-Sues or other cliches and they laugh and move on to write amazing epics and such. I've just read a lot and written a lot and taken risks with what I write; I'm still continually shocked when people praise my writings.)
I mean, Bennett could hardly find anything wrong with it!
That was actually very annoying to me. I wanted him to snark at things and critique and rage and stuff, but basically he just read the thing and complained that I killed him off in the second paragraph.
My GOD, you guys!! I'll just say this: I saw New Moon last night, and by the end EVERYONE was making fun of this movie!
I have never had so much fun sitting with thirty people, and just straight talking trash from the opening to the end. Dayna, you would have loved it.
Maaan I really wish I was at a theater that did that.
Everyone should experience this. A thing of beauty, my friend!
I knew it was going to be awesome when the damned movie title popped up on the screen, and the whole theatre started snickering. By the end we were howling, throwing popcorn, yelling comments about Jazz Hands and Sparkle Motion, I never thought I'd say this [seriously...never] but:
New Moon Face Punch. Fuck Yeah!
But did anyone yell "FURSPLOSION!"? That's the real test.
1 - Icon love
2 - No one yelled that one. But Marcela and I did have a round of: "Lookit the big puppy!! Hello puppy! Who's a good puppy? Jacob's a good puppy, yes he is, etc."
Hi all! I think I can provide an explanation as to why Alice dragged Bella to Italy.
Alice knows Edward very well and vice versa. Edward knows Alice would lie to save to his life. So, even though Alice would be telling (or thinking) the truth (eg. Bella still being alive), he wouldn't listen to her because he stupidly stubbornly thinks that Bella is dead. So she has to drag Bella to Italy so that Edward could see that she's not dead.
Hope I helped!